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Canada Day eh


Hardly anyone here knows this... but today is Canada Day, which is when Canadians celebrate that they aren't Americans.

Have a great day Canada.

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watervole
7th Jul, 2004 14:14 (UTC)
Do you have any interest in Canadian military history?

If you've seen the latest posting in my journal, you'll probably understand why.

It's only an outline, and only covers a couple of months of the war in a pretty sketchy fashion, but if you want to have a glance over...

(General Brock was a pretty sharp guy)
hawkeye7
8th Jul, 2004 03:19 (UTC)
Yes, I do have an interest in Canadian Military History but I'm a 20th Century historian. I can supply immediate answers to questions about General Currie. Or Crerar. Or MacNaughton. And there's a whole shelf here about East Timor. But I have this strange feeling that you want to ask about the 19th century.

However, you should ask away anyhow, because Canadian Military Historians are fairly rare, and because I do have access to a large military library.

Somewhere I caught a remark about operating again supply lines in 1812. Unlikely. Basically, an army of that period worked in two ways. It could draw supplies from magazines (a practice dating back to the 17th century) or ports. Or it could live off the land - the new way (but also the old way, which had never really gone out of fashion). Mostly, armies lived off the land. The trick here was simply to keep moving. If the army stood still, it would strip the surrounding area. Also, it was a good idea to operate on their ground, so you ate their food.

Just a thought.


PS: A watervole is a kind of rat right?
watervole
8th Jul, 2004 11:05 (UTC)
This was an odd case in many regards. The Americans hoped that many Canadians would support the invasion, so it seems likely they were going to avoid trying to do too much damage on their first incursion over the border. (This was the first American move of the war in which they took Sandwich - now called Windsor). They were on the wrong side of the Detroit river. They had come from the fort at Detroit and their plan was supposedly to move on Fort Amherstburg.

The Canadians had a copy of Hull's plans captured from a ship.

When Hull heard that Michilimackinac (Now Macinac Island) had fallen (incredibly, the Americans had failed to tell the garison that war had been declared) he fell back to Detroit.

Some of the sources I'm reading say that General Brock, the Canadian commander, fougt battles at Brownstown and Monguagon in order to cut the supply routes to Hull's forces.

It seems to be agreed that Hull made a mistake by not keeping on the move.

I'm still trying to figure it all out though. I only got most of this data yesterday and it's scattered from all sorts of sources. I've got to get it all straight in my mind in just a couple of days, so any thoughts about the military logistics are welcome.

I'm not sure what you mean about magazines (Military history isn't normally my thing at all, apart from some mediaval stuff from a decade ago)

A water vole isn't a rat (though they are often called water rats.) They're voles. Different type of small mammel. Often killed by mistake. Water voles are vegatarian and have a rounder face and softer fur than a rat.
hawkeye7
9th Jul, 2004 19:51 (UTC)
Sorry about the military jargon. A magazine was a supply depot where stores were stockpiled. An Army could collect supplies there when the campaign began and fall back on the magazine when supplies ran low, for whatever reason. The main magazine supporting the campaigns in the northwest was at Pittsburg.
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